And with Outer Banks set to return for a fifth and final season, there’s been speculation about whether Pankow could really return, what pursuing the blue crown means for the Pogues, and how the show even moves forward without one of its main characters.

Right now, the internet is convinced there’s feud drama going down between Outer Banks cast members Rudy Pankow and Madison Bailey. People think it’s got so bad between the actors that stunt doubles were brought in to do their cuddling scenes. Yes, really.