On Joe Rogan’s podcast, Zuckerberg made it clear he was ready to do business: In his peculiar black T-shirt and gold chain — like a balky child of the suburbs straining for some nebulous urban cred — he railed against the Biden administration and affirmed,

The co-founder of Facebook (now Meta) has become a social media icon. He doesn’t seem as reserved, measured, or rehearsed as he did in the past, preferring a more trendy style and upbeat demeanor. In recent months, he has also ditched his traditional gray shirts for a more eclectic wardrobe. He seems to be ditching a lot of other things as well.

The company severely altered its social media moderation policies, including the handling of anti-LGBTQ speech. Now, Mark Zuckerberg went on the Joe Rogan podcast, where he defended Meta’s new policies and gave his views on other topics in a three-hour interview.